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Nechte si poradit od profesionálního hráče pokeru Lukáše "Alkaatche" Horáka - rozbory hand

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  od alkaatch
 úte 12. dub 2011 16:59:31
Charlie
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07.04.2010 02:52
Ahoj Lukasi, tentokrat tu mam rovnou 2 handy v jednom, byt vim, ze bych je mel asi pro prehlednost postovat vzlast, ale prisla mi v nich urcita podobnost proto je postuju spolecne, treba tak odhalim nejakou zasadni chybu ve sve hre.

HAND 1
Full Tilt Poker Game #19676013870: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (Turbo) (150424176), Table 1 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:49:17 ET - 2010/03/30
Seat 1: MiaJap100 (1,445)
Seat 2: nomercy_cn1 (1,520)
Seat 3: Ak_sa_kal-Sch (2,115)
Seat 4: Bartenvinck (2,300)
Seat 5: Charlie1322 (1,590)
Seat 7: MainAAKK (1,710)
Seat 8: gardon bombay (1,380)
Seat 9: HSPTL (1,440)
MiaJap100 posts the small blind of 25
nomercy_cn1 posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Charlie1322 [Qc Qh]
Ak_sa_kal-Sch calls 50
Bartenvinck folds
Charlie1322 raises to 200
MainAAKK has 15 seconds left to act
nomercy_cn1 has been disconnected
MainAAKK folds
nomercy_cn1 has reconnected
gardon bombay calls 200
HSPTL folds
MiaJap100 folds
nomercy_cn1 calls 150
Ak_sa_kal-Sch calls 150


*** FLOP *** [Kd 3h 2s]
nomercy_cn1 checks
Ak_sa_kal-Sch checks
Charlie1322 checks
gardon bombay checks

Proti 6 kartam se dost bojim, ze toho krale, byt treba slabeho nekdo z nich mit muze, takze bych rekl easy check popr fold na any bet - co bys delal vs minbet ? Raisnul nebo fold a pockat na lepsi spot vs fishky ?

*** TURN *** [Kd 3h 2s] [9s]
nomercy_cn1 checks
Ak_sa_kal-Sch checks
Charlie1322 has 15 seconds left to act
Charlie1322 bets 450
gardon bombay folds
nomercy_cn1 folds
Ak_sa_kal-Sch has 15 seconds left to act
Ak_sa_kal-Sch folds
Uncalled bet of 450 returned to Charlie1322
Charlie1322 mucks
Charlie1322 wins the pot (825)


*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 825 | Rake 0
Board: [Kd 3h 2s 9s]
Seat 1: MiaJap100 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: nomercy_cn1 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: Ak_sa_kal-Sch folded on the Turn
Seat 4: Bartenvinck didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Charlie1322 collected (825), mucked
Seat 7: MainAAKK didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: gardon bombay folded on the Turn
Seat 9: HSPTL (button) didn't bet (folded)

Podle me ok zahrane, protoze jsem z toho double checku na turnu citil, ze mam celkem velkou sanci na to, ze mam stale /mysleno od PF/ nejlepsi handu, ale radeji to sem postuju, vzdy si rad poslechnu nazor od Tebe :-)

HAND 2

Full Tilt Poker Game #19676034777: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (Turbo) (150424368), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:51:11 ET - 2010/03/30
Seat 1: alf886 (3,090)
Seat 2: busterpeek (1,690)
Seat 3: Charlie1322 (2,040)
Seat 4: leobra999 (1,455)
Seat 6: TONNERI (810)
Seat 7: spacemountain50 (1,370)
Seat 8: whyI (1,365)
Seat 9: GoldfishEmpire (1,680)
TONNERI posts the small blind of 20
spacemountain50 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Charlie1322 [Qs Kh]
whyI folds
GoldfishEmpire folds
alf886 has 15 seconds left to act
alf886 calls 40
busterpeek calls 40
Charlie1322 raises to 160
leobra999 folds
TONNERI calls 140
spacemountain50 calls 120
alf886 calls 120
busterpeek folds

PF 2 limpery trestam raisem, ktery mi z5ne prijde mozna maly, ale v pripade 3betu / squeezu z pozdejsi pozice jsem nechtel riskovat vic ze sveho stacku, ale pritom zjistit jak na tom jsem a cena 4 BB mi prisla dostacujici (opravnenene ?). Bohuzel se dostavam do potu se 3 souperi :-/

*** FLOP *** [Qd As 5c]
TONNERI checks
spacemountain50 checks
alf886 has 15 seconds left to act
alf886 checks
Charlie1322 checks

2. par neni nic IMBA vs 3 lidi a opet IMHO easy check /s easy foldem na bet/, ael opet se dostavam na turn, jako v HAND 1.

*** TURN *** [Qd As 5c] [4s]
TONNERI checks
spacemountain50 checks
alf886 has 15 seconds left to act
alf886 bets 40
Charlie1322 raises to 160
TONNERI calls 160
spacemountain50 folds
alf886 calls 120

Prvni 2 hraci opet checkli 2x, coz mi jako v minule hande napovidalo o tom, ze patrne nic nemaji /viz Jennifer :-)/, kor kdyz opet dorazila FD - set, 2 pary TP etc by IMO museli branit, coz se nestalo, ale 3 pan jen minbetnul, coz na tomto limitu znamena vetsinou prave onu FD /nebo monster - zde possible straight na turnu, ikdyz to mi neprislo pravdepodobne/ ale minbety vetsinou raisuju, abych vedel na cem jsem a mohl jinak easy foldnout na push /limp / minbet - push je celkem casty jev na techto stakes/. Opet jsem se nebal raisnut, byt vs 3 lide, ael prislo mi, ze prvni 2 zahodi a tudis hraju vs jeden souper. Zpetne se divim, ze jsem raisnul tak malo, ale asi jsem tehdy nechtel riskovat vic na push nebo mi prislo, ze souperi nezvladaji neake pot odds a na vetsi agresivitu mi s nekompletni handou foldnou, coz se take stalo a ja opet sebral pot, byt moje handa opravdu nebyla nuts.

*** RIVER *** [Qd As 5c 4s] [8c]
TONNERI checks
alf886 checks
Charlie1322 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Charlie1322 shows [Qs Kh] a pair of Queens
TONNERI mucks
alf886 mucks
Charlie1322 wins the pot (1,160) with a pair of Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,160 | Rake 0
Board: [Qd As 5c 4s 8c]
Seat 1: alf886 mucked [Qc Jc] - a pair of Queens
Seat 2: busterpeek folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Charlie1322 showed [Qs Kh] and won (1,160) with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: leobra999 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: TONNERI (small blind) mucked [4h Th] - a pair of Fours
Seat 7: spacemountain50 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: whyI didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: GoldfishEmpire didn't bet (folded)

Lze neco z tech 2, podle me vcelku podobnych hand, rict o me hre ? Bylo to zbytecne agresivni ci na tento limit se "nehodici" nebo naprosto spravne ? Verim, ze na vyssim limitu by to mozna smysl davalo, ale je to vhodna hra na SnG za 2 USD ? Nejsou moje "probe bety" takove nejake pochybne :-) nvm jak to moc popsat :-) ?

Doufam, ze nevadi, ze jsem vyjimecne postnul 2 handy najednou, ale myslim, ze pochopis co jsem tm zamyslel a co jsem an nich chtel ilustrovat ;-).

Budu rad za kazdy komentar ci diskuzi k temto handam.

THX

Charlie